tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271618056621139418.comments2013-08-08T17:14:06.625-04:00Public Voice - Feminism in Religion ForumFeminism In Religion Forumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00957503144816821161noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271618056621139418.post-21403313833032447852010-05-03T16:33:20.351-04:002010-05-03T16:33:20.351-04:00I come from Poland and such translations have been...I come from Poland and such translations have been present in my life since I remember. Sometimes it was confusing as the translators of the Missal to Polish language used the words that are very archaic and not used anymore in the Polish language. I knew quite well the Polish ancient literature so I understood, but I can imagine that the young people coming to the church now might have problems with understanding. I wonder what was the purpose, more mystery perhaps? If so, it was not reasonable.<br />Few years ago I left my country and moved abroad and for the first time could meet the liturgy in English. It was a kind of a revelation: more inclusive, more open, more modern vocabulary (apart from such ancient but beautiful words as Thou, Thy, Thine). I have learnt quickly the English texts of the Holy Mass and I have to admit that I pray with them even while attending a mass in my native language. When I read about the "new" ideas included in this newest translation, I feel like someone trying to take me out something really important, something that helps to create a spirit of community within the English-speaking catholics and something that I always missed in Poland (except my short period in an academic chaplancy for students). As we say in Polish, "a knife is opening in my pocket".Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09547845519912292556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271618056621139418.post-29022130607020567672010-05-03T11:50:14.856-04:002010-05-03T11:50:14.856-04:00From your examples, it seems that the translators ...From your examples, it seems that the translators are employing obfuscation. This creates barriers between the liturgy and members of the congregation. This has been done before, for instance, in the Douay Bible passages were deliberately obscure and confusing in order to maintain a sense of "mystery." I believe that in worship there is enough true mystery in all its glory. While it is possible to educate parishioners, use of such language is not a welcoming stance.The Rev. Regina Christiansonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271618056621139418.post-28329478147067031142010-02-08T18:38:22.014-05:002010-02-08T18:38:22.014-05:00Devorah, thanks for this reflection. I recall watc...Devorah, thanks for this reflection. I recall watching that sermon at your request and being impressed with Lundblad - and, yes I would agree with you. What message do we send when we chose to ignore tough places in the text that reinforce oppression? A resource for handling tricky and oppressive texts would be invaluable!Aliciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13557135682589331820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271618056621139418.post-38593327153436334712010-01-12T03:37:05.543-05:002010-01-12T03:37:05.543-05:00Excellent points. I just scribbled down some words...Excellent points. I just scribbled down some words from Gloria Steinem (in tribute to Mary Daly) who said that Daly used all her powers "to demolish patriarchy--or any idea that domination is natural-in its most defended place, which is religion." <br /><br />(Institutional hierarchical religions were what she was talking about, i'm quite sure.) <br /><br />What i see happening a lot, in addition to the patterns you've described so well, is setting up a polarity between Christianity and Islam (most often) in order to cast one or the other as more patriarchal, colonial, warlike, or whatever. <br /><br />What gets left out of this completely is all the indigenous religions, where women fare much better, speaking generally of course. Not all are equalitarian, but it's common to find female spiritual leaders, female deities, sodalities, etc. <br /><br />There are other kinds of fruit than apples and oranges!Max Dashuhttp://www.suppressedhistories.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271618056621139418.post-77198292265067836812010-01-12T03:25:36.201-05:002010-01-12T03:25:36.201-05:00The link didn't work for this article on Palin...The link didn't work for this article on Palin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com